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Consumerism and Community in America

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Today I read Rod Dreher's comments on Freddie de Boer's piece about conservatism and the American Dream. Immediately I was reminded of a conversation my wife and I had about the infrastructure of communities, and how we had built away our sense of neighborhood in America, and replaced it with a consumer culture ever-wired together by new technologies, which have both the power to congregate us and disband us depending on how we use them.

Dreher writes:

What Freddie's post brings to mind is how our permissive, hedonistic culture hurts the poor and the working class the most. You don't have to believe in God to understand social psychology, and how important it is for people who don't have much of anything to live by a code that encourages thrift, modesty and self-restraint -- because they have so very much to lose if they don't. We have created a society in which it's hard for people to develop the habits of the heart that help them achieve -- well, if you don't like the word goodness, how about health, or sustainability? Put another way, the way we're living, and the culture of consumption we've created, both are unsustainable, because they depend on a distortion of human nature. As we are learning, and shall learn.

The more I read Dreher's work on "Crunchy Conservatives", the more I like what I see. My wife and I have been mulling over this concept of the "American Dream" and how out of control it's gotten. The notion of an "ownership society" is all well and good, but when it becomes a "finance your boat and your five flat-screen TV's with the future value of your home that you haven't even paid off yet" society, then I think obviously things have gotten a bit out of hand.

We have become a nation without restraint, fed at the trough of greed and materialism, told we are worthless unless we are all CEO's, unless we are all driving the best cars and watching our nightly shows on the biggest, flattest , most colorful screens available. We are taught to emulate pop-stars and business executives rather than poets and heroes--unless, of course, those poets are rappers, or those heroes are only heroes of the Will Smith variety--fictional and easily categorized.

We have lost our sense of community and locality, and replaced it with a need to buy more, be more, and in a sense strive to transcend our humanity through artificial gains, through that promise of an American Dream which has grown ever shallower in the face of unbridled consumerism.

In society there are levels of structural units, building blocks, beginning first with the individual and ending up with the Federal Government or the National cultural scene (as in Hollywood, cable tv, etc.) In between these stages are many smaller structures. Perhaps most importantly we have the family unit. Then there is the extended family; the neighborhood; the section of town; the town; the county; the State; the region; and so on into ever expanding levels of society. In a global world, the scope becomes truly vast.

What has happened, first with the advent of the interstate system, and the build up of the suburbs, and now with the internet and mass communication, is a sort of systemic disassociation from the smaller structural pieces--family, neighborhood, locality.

We now prefer to listen to national hits on our radios when, at least in my home town, there are easily a dozen very talented bands and as many more solo musicians far more interesting and unique. I can't find a station that plays a single of their songs. We skip local theatre in favor of big action movies, and could name fifty movie stars before we could conjure up a single local actor.

We ignore local politics in favor of the big, flashy national elections, even though in an ideal world, the election of our mayor or sheriff would have at least as much of a personal impact on our daily lives as the election of our next President.

What all of this leads to is a culture of easy promises which manifests into a population overwhelmed with high-interest debt, run-away levels of depression, and rampant materialism. We trade in tradition and values for the rat-race. Money, we are told, and fame are surest ways to be successful--and in some sense, it's very hard to argue with this. Some measure of financial success is completely necessary. So is there a balance to strike?

I have the option to work overtime at my job, and make a great deal more money. When I do this I am able to spend a great deal more, but I'm tired, busy, and a far worse companion. In a sense, I view this overtime work as a tax increase on my time rather than an income potential. If I could cut my spending, I wouldn't have to raise this time tax. It would no longer be necessary. If I could live more frugally, I could spend more time pursuing my goals, and hanging out with my family. But to do this, I can't borrow endlessly. I have to cut spending. Plain and simple. I have to set limits.

Our culture says otherwise. The actions of our spend-all Government say otherwise. The constant barrage of ads and materialist assaults on our sense of self say otherwise. After 9/11 the salve with which we were supposed to treat our wounded nation was the simple, no-sacrifice act of shopping. We weren't asked to go give back to our country. No indeed, the best way to do this was to go spend our money at Sears and Best Buy.

We no longer sit on our front porch for entertainment, hollering back and forth with the neighbors, or trading stories in our front lawns. Most people don't even have a front porch. We no longer walk to the corner market. Most people don't even have a corner market, and the big superstore is too far away or at least it certainly seems too far away in our towns built for cars and not people.

This is what I like about the Crunchy Con movement and the New Urbanist movement, and how I see them becoming entangled. They both evoke the spirit of neotraditionalism. I just think change should emerge in a grassroots, community-first way, and that some of the most basic ways I believe we can change this culture of consumption is through an investment in our infrastructure, building cities that are once again friendly to the pedestrian and the neighborhood, rather than commuter islands built for the benefit of the oil and auto and construction industries. Let's create communities we can once again be a part of. That's real America--and it's an idea, not a geographic location, or the arbitrary colors red or blue on a map.

There is no easy way to escape a consumer-driven society. But it's about time conservatives started talking about it.

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Thanks for your comments!

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Reply#1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:14 AM EST
{"commentId":4139018,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

We evolved from an agrarian society to an urban one due to the industrial revolution, and efficiencies of mass production. We had prosperity on an unprecedented scale after WWII, and we lived longer and in greater relative comfort as a result. With globalism and worldwide competition, on top of the inevitable economic cycles as well as mismanagement in government and capital sectors, we are taking a big hit right now. There may be no choice for most of us now but to scale back our consumer proclivities, and its just possible that our time on center stage is passing. There will be pain of adjustment, and perhaps for some there may be a movement back to extended family and smaller, more self-sustaining communities and lifestyles, but so long as both the world population as well as our own nation's population continues to rise, there will be pressures on governments to stoke the furnace of economic growth, and feed our consumerism tendencies. Once most have seen Paris, its hard to get them back on the farm.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:41 AM EST
{"commentId":4139254,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

#2 - worldknightboy - You are right about not getting them back on the farm, unless of course they're hungry and bone-weary of traveling continuously.  Some folks are ready for peace in their lives, and stability, and freedom from fears of so many kinds.  Do you really think big impersonal cities are the only choice left to human beings?  Their are still Apple Orchards, Vineyards, growers of our food and meat and poultry.  GG

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  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:58 AM EST
{"commentId":4139499,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

I think we will have to become more simple in our needs, though how to achieve this is beyond me.  Dreher used the Dutch as an example of a people who attempt to be as unostentatious as possible.  I just see a restructuring of our communities as essential to their strength.  As we make material sacrifices, there is no reason to think we will no longer be prosperous.  Look at the homes built fourty years ago.  They are modest but not poor.  I watch movies on a 15" laptop, and I find the experience is no different really than when I'm at a friends watching their 40" plasma.

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  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:15 PM EST
{"commentId":4139650,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

GG, I think things will get tougher- quite a bit tougher- before a sort of new equilibrium emerges. Our nation in many ways, and to some extent the world as a whole, has seen many changes and spasms since the Great Depression- politically, socially, culturally, economically, and militarily. I don't know what we are headed for, but I don't see it through rose-colored glasses. Its a wild world. We are not immune.

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  • 6 votes
#2.3 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:25 PM EST
{"commentId":4139852,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

#2.3 - Worldknightboy - We are not immune - true.  We need to get innoculated then, don't we?  The world got built by people working together to create what their vision for their needs represented.  People today will do that too.  The world will never be static, nor can we go back in time, that isn't what I was trying to do.  I was trying to bring back memories of happier times and to instill the idea that some of those things are still viable today.  I always appreciate your input and your respect as I respect your opinions and you.  :)  GG

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  • 4 votes
#2.4 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:39 PM EST
{"commentId":4140031,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}

GG, there is a sort of inertia in human affairs and nations, and rarely are far-sighted, pro-active measures embraced without some impelling crisis or at least sufficient motivation. You are a natural leader, and a light in dim and unsettled times. The enertia, or factors in motion, will have to be countered by substantial, consistent efforts and people such as you, showing the way, and guiding others to take action necessary to  minimize the results of the crises, and engage in necessary behaviors that are more beneficial. Its a very tall task ahead! 

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  • 5 votes
#2.5 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:50 PM EST
{"commentId":4154141,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

#2.5 - A tall task indeed, but not an impossible task when there are many hands involved.  Or should I say minds and hearts?  HOPE, is what we must never lose sight of, and hope brings ideas.  Ideas bring about the kind of change we, the people, want...not what some greedy people decide for us.  We must never give up the right to think for ourselves and then act upon this new way of thinking.  GG

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#2.6 - Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:40 AM EST
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{"commentId":4139141,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

#1 - E.D. Kain - Sir/Ma'am,  may I congratulate you for being #1 on this public forum, Newsvine!  By that I mean I congratulate YOU because you GET IT!  It seems so obvious to me now, that this is exactly what to do about the isolation so many people feel!  Talking, relating to each other face to face is how it has always been done in the past before the Internet, text messaging, TV, ecetera!

I'm beginning to picture small towns, built around a town square again, where the band concerts are played and the neighbors come to tap their toes and share a box lunch; or an interest once again in the fairgrounds of the past where the fruits of the people's labor i.e. fruit grown on our own trees, vegetables grown in our own Victory Gardens,  livestock raised on our own bit of land,  4-H projects and Boy Scout & Girl Scouts earning their patches for their projects they want to complete. 

Some great things have been lost in our rush to become big cities, haven't they?  Let's keep the conversations going about how to recapture the best of the past, and in the process I'll bet we'll rediscover the beauty of families being together, living around each other even when grown up, sharing each other's burdens and joys.  I was raised in just such a place in Wisconsin, and have never lost those small town values.  GG

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  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:50 AM EST
{"commentId":4139985,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}

ED,

I've read all of this twice now.  It's a lot to digest.  Consumerism, family, community, globalism.  Capitalism v. socialism.  Self-determination v. economic and cultural overwhelm.  I hardly know where to begin.  I'm intrigued by the conversation; but, I tend to work better when a goal exists and I'm not sure there is one here.

Balance, at the end of the day, is probably the key.  The elusive homeostasis.  Under-consumerism (which we are temporarily experiencing right now) has its own problems -- underemployment, recession, deflation, etc.  So, while we have probably gotten to where we are as a result of over-consumption, we must not think the pendulum at the other end of the 'swing' is necessarily better.

As with the conversations going on elsewhere on the Vine re: socialism/capitalism, I think the question is where we draw the line.  deBoer states government measures should be temporary and rare (or words to that effect) which is how I feel about it.  Other lefties (deBoer, too, claims to be one) on the Vine demand New Scandinavia for all, urging us to focus on "happiness indices." 

Your remarks about changes in community have been taken up by public and community planners around the country.  Live/work/shop communities are sprouting up like mushrooms.  Neighborhood planning that includes public/shared spaces are popular, too.  Unfortunately, and ironically, the new frugality will put the quietus on that effort for awhile.

So, those are my ramblings...

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  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:47 PM EST
{"commentId":4140691,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

Ellie, all very good points.  Indeed, spending less can hurt the economy.  Then again, if we are spending money we don't have, and racking up lots of personal debt, than any growth we see is little more than an illusion.

My plan, I suppose, not very well clearly stated here, is that we need to tackle social/community issues both on a local level rather than on a national political level, and that at all levels we need to start putting money and creativity into new infrastructure and things like:

Live/work/shop communities are sprouting up like mushrooms.

You're also correct that the budget constraints will hurt these efforts.  Then again, if there is any place for government spending it's in infrastructure, and it could create lots of jobs and act as a major stimulus as well.

Combine new urbanism with green energy....there are some real major ways that through something as impersonal as this that social conservatives can make leaps and bounds in strengthening communities and families...

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  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:29 PM EST
{"commentId":4141074,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}

"Attacking" things locally will come easier to you as your daughter ages.  Like Palin's entry into politics via the PTA, you begin to see how very interconnected it all is.  I am very excited to see someone with your brains and talent enter the system, too.  The school boards, city coucils, local political parties and election boards are all entwined not only in structure, but in personalities and relationships.

Who was who said, all politics is local?  It's so true.  In some ways the census taker decides the Presidency since electoral counts are based on that.  The other truism -- it's not the one who votes who decides elections, it's the one who counts the votes.

My son and daughter in law made the mistake (of course we TOLD them not to do it, but would they listen?  NOOOOOooooo!  Oh, wait, where was I?) of buying a bigger but more affordable home in a bedroom community when they first married.  They hated it for all the reasons you give.  Fortunately, they were able to sell and move into the older, more expensive, but more neighborly community where they now reside.  All that is a long way of saying, your instincts about community and neighborliness are absolutely on target.

Moving is not always an option.  Sometimes, it just takes a leader...to pull a couple of neighbors together, form a social committee, have a "yard party" every now and then, form a community watch, etc.  It takes a little effort, but it's well worth it.

And, love the thoughts on green energy, especially in new urban areas.  Good thoughts, ED!!

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  • 6 votes
#4.2 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:48 PM EST
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{"commentId":4140247,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

told we are worthless unless we are all CEO's, unless we are all driving the best cars and watching our nightly shows on the biggest, flattest , most colorful screens available

We are conditioned... "Rice a roni, the San Fransisco _____".
"I'd walk a mile for a _____"
"____, it's the real thing". I bet you knew the fill in the blank to at least one of these.
We are constantly conditioned by media, billboards, ads on the front page of the local the free paper. We're told by corporate marketing how to think, what to buy, how to live. Marketing is the very axis of all evil... or at least a heavy hitter. It's hard to find a space where there isn't a bumper sticker, or magazine or radio going marketing us into a life style we don't need, really didn't want and most certainly can't afford, financially or emotionally.

Worth is an attribute of our upbringing. My parents didn't teach me that CEO's were the top of the national org chart and to be envied or emulated. They didn't spend a minute explaining what I should be or emulate. They tried to instill a sense of ethic (right and wrong),

We are taught to emulate pop-stars and business executives rather than poets and heroes

Again, we are conditioned to think a way marketing people would have us. School taught me how to learn, how to study. Marketer condition us on the what.

We have lost our sense of community and locality

Not all of us have. Where I live, urban area near a large city we actually look down on the city and prefer our neighbors over a commute to downtown. Many of us still walk each night.

We ignore local politics in favor of the big, flashy national elections, even though in an ideal world, the election of our mayor or sheriff would have at least as much of a personal impact on our daily lives as the election of our next President.

Fortunately where I live local city politics is less of a hassle, we have a city manager, not a mayor

Money, we are told, and fame are surest ways to be successful

Told, but who listens to the people who are in it for a buck on telling us what to believe.

have to cut spending. Plain and simple. I have to set limits.

I have, my energy bills are 2/3rds less than last year. I fill my gas tank every third month. My neighbors work together to help on projects instead of blindly calling contractors to do the work. We have an active PTA, Boy Scouts and many community projects - which I often see my neighbor at.

The constant barrage of ads and materialist assaults on our sense of self say otherwise

Yup. I agree 100%.

We weren't asked to go give back to our country. No indeed, the best way to do this was to go spend our money at Sears and Best Buy.

Actually talking to my neighbors frequently, we discuss our community and where to buy things. We have a Sears, but prefer our mom and pop stores to keep local businesses alive, even having to pay a few dollars more to do it. We view our Sears as an outlet for Chinese goods. Been there lately, Craftsman Tools are all made over seas now. We prefer Dewalt, an American tool maker.

We no longer sit on our front porch for entertainment, hollering back and forth with the neighbors, or trading stories in our front lawns. Most people don't even have a front porch. We no longer walk to the corner market. Most people don't even have a corner market

Not in my neighborhood. People do sit on their porches, or steps or sit down for hours on their front grass and talk to people who are walking around. I personally know the owners of my local markets and make sure to buy my milk or locally made bread from them.

just think change should emerge in a grassroots, community-first way<

Yes, it scales better. Local can survive national crisis. Local is diverse. Local is fresh produce. Local is your neighbor.

I've lived on the northern east coast, the mid west, northern mid west, southwest, west coast and now live in the pacific northwest. I've seen community and big city. I prefer local and accountable.

My parents represented both sides of the equation you've discussed. On one side, grandfather was a president of a large national corporation. On the other side, a family of rural farmers, hunters and community leaders. I can see and understand both sides. I prefer rural heritage and community over mass marketing, conditioned behavior and a sense of values which I neither want or want to pay for. It's like a drug, why pay for something to make you feel something you are not?

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  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:04 PM EST
{"commentId":4140606,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

I'm glad you seem to rise above the materialism of our times, but the point really isn't about each individual.  It's about a larger cultural dilemma; and you can replace "taught" with "condition" it doesn't really make a difference, it's just arguing semantics.

Thank you for your feedback on the article, though.  No kidding different cultures exist across our country.  I moved to a more dense, down-town neighborhood recently, and the difference there compared to the suburbs is immense.  People do walk a great deal more, spend more time in their front yards, walk more, etc.  And it's nice.  I like it.  I feel less detached from my community.

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  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:25 PM EST
{"commentId":4140695,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

Maybe semantics, I refer to the word conditioned as it's something we can ignore where the word 'taught', to me, implies information that we 'must' follow or pay attention to. Schools teach, billboards and television ads condition. Just my perspective.

I think I need more coffee... or do I?

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  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:29 PM EST
{"commentId":4142241,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

I think I need more coffee... or do I?

Oh, always!

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  • 6 votes
#5.3 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:51 PM EST
{"commentId":4143857,"authorDomain":"buddysej"}

ah da*mmmmmmmmmm; he's a coffee drinker too.   :) :)    He's gonna make me like him. Gosh darnit!  Long as u can perk it, I can drink it.

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  • 3 votes
#5.4 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:26 PM EST
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{"commentId":4141657,"authorDomain":"junswort"}

We have become a nation without restraint, fed at the trough of greed and materialism, told we are worthless unless we are all CEO's, unless we are all driving the best cars and watching our nightly shows on the biggest, flattest , most colorful screens available.

Couldn't agree with you more.  I am an environmental consultant and I know I could make more money if I chose to work longer hours and travel more.  But I choose not to because I want to be successful as Ralph waldo Emerson defined it:

What is Success?

To laugh often and much;

To win the respect of intelligent people
and the affection of children;

To earn the appreciation of honest critics
and endure the betrayal of false friends;

To appreciate beauty;
To find the best in others;

To leave the world a bit better, whether by
a healthy child, a garden patch
or a redeemed social condition;

To know even one life has breathed
easier because you have lived;

This is to have succeeded

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  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:18 PM EST
{"commentId":4154362,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

#6 - Success poem is spot on!  Thanks for contributing this wonderful piece.  Also, everyone who is writing about these issues, are doing a great job.  We are all in this together and by sharing, all our lives are being enriched!  GG

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#6.1 - Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:53 AM EST
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{"commentId":4143151,"authorDomain":"buddysej"}

Greetings Viners, let me get one thing straight here, ED and I do not generally set horses, if ever and due that "silly", bratty grudge holding reason {I am a 14 year only child, giggle}, I almost did not comment here but, due the absolute near-genius of the piece, I was compelled to.  I went back and forth on the Vine today looking for something else to catch my interest, p*ss me off or that drew to my personal humanitarian choice of reading and writing, to no avail.  Kinda magnetic, this one, and I don't expect anyone else to feel as I do and I don't care! 

There are so mighty fine writers and contributors here:  Mr. ED is certainly among those ranks.  (oh yeah, I'm sucking up - :)

And what makes this even more special is, it is plain simple fact, near-fact and truth and truth should prevail!  There were so many favorite lines TO ME in this i.e:  > snip:  We have become a nation without restraint, fed at the trough of greed and materialism, ……..and in a sense strive to transcend our humanity through artificial gains, through that promise of an American Dream which has grown ever shallower in the face of unbridled consumerism. ……..We ignore local politics in favor of …….What all of this leads to is a culture of easy promises which manifests into a population overwhelmed with high-interest debt, run-away levels of depression, and rampant materialism. We trade in tradition and values for the rat-race. ………Plain and simple. I have to set limits. …….Our culture says otherwise……We no longer sit on our front porch for entertainment, hollering back and forth with the neighbors, or trading stories in our front lawns.  ……That's real America--and it's an idea, not a geographic location, or the arbitrary colors red or blue on a map. ……..There is no easy way to escape a consumer-driven society. But it's about time conservatives started talking about it. <end snip

It is almost as if he were begging us on some level to return to that which worked!  To understand the simple concept that many times, less is indeed more, but not tramping on progress.  If you did not understand the construction of his words and the earnestness of which he put pen to paper, and take something, anything, one thing from this; then you are relegated to never ever see the forest for the trees.  In any reading, on whatever level we do read, we ought to bring something into ourselves from the author.  If you have failed to do that then you are guilty of non-caloric intellectual intake. 

And I approve my post, rest my case and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  And now ED our fights may continue.   :)  You don't get off that easy just because you impressed me - giggle as my profile says, I'm not easily impressed or intimidated but... Well Done. Thank you for enhancing my day.  And if plagarism were not illegal, it would be "borrowed"  (smile) but I have emailed it for discussion with my kids, grandkids and personal family/friend circle, in that they can see that much of what I preach to them might not be so out of touch in the long run.  cya!

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  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:45 PM EST
{"commentId":4143408,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

Well Done. Thank you for enhancing my day.

You are most welcome, S. Elaine Jones, and thank you for your very thoughtful response! You are right, we disagree often, but I think there are so many areas where many Americans regardless of political affiliation actually can and do agree...

And now ED our fights may continue.

Absolutely! ;-)

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  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:59 PM EST
{"commentId":4143805,"authorDomain":"buddysej"}

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  I call like I see it.  If nothing more, certainly I'm no great scholar, but I'm fair, 363 days anyway.  It is what it is.  Awesome brilliant truth. 

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  • 2 votes
#7.2 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:23 PM EST
{"commentId":4154429,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

#7 - S.Elaine Jones-     Perfect!        GG

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  • 1 vote
#7.3 - Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:58 AM EST
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{"commentId":4143242,"authorDomain":"maggiemayadkins"}

Your right. People have become so immersed in the rush of daily life. Work more,have more,spend more. Everyone works now. No one is home anymore. Children have no one to go home to. Parents hang keys around their necks,and tell them to stay out of trouble. They spend their time home watching tv or playing video games. Drive through any neighborhood. How often do you see people out talking with their neighbors? How many children do you see out playing with each other? Times have changed,and maybe not for the better. When I was growing up everyone knew each other. Everyone watched each others kids. You couldn't do anything without your parents knowing.We were raised by the community. People now feel that If they buy their children the best of everything,sending them to expensive schools,and fancy cars makes up for the fact that these children would be just as happy if they had a loving parent at home who cared about them is all they really need. As the story goes no one has ever died wishing they had spent more time working.

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Reply#8 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:50 PM EST
{"commentId":4143757,"authorDomain":"buddysej"}

Whew maggie..........!!!!!!!!!!   Absolutely!  Looks like thus far, we have a great corroboration here.  Few more post like these, we might have the collective makings of the chapters for a book here.  I'll do the the acknowlegement or the forward; I kinda like that "touchy-feeling" kind of writing.  :)   Nicely done maggiemay.  ED kicked b*tt on this one.  He might just make me a cheerleader.  NOT.  :) 

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#8.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:20 PM EST
{"commentId":4154481,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

#8 - Maggie May - This would all make for a great book that America, really needs right now!  How wonderful to be part of THIS kind of thinking!  GG

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#8.2 - Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:01 PM EST
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{"commentId":4144061,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

Off topic, but is the icon you are currently using Hamilton?

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Reply#9 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:39 PM EST
{"commentId":4144434,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}
Off topic, but is the icon you are currently using Hamilton?

Actually no. It is the Duke of Wellington...

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#9.1 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:00 PM EST
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{"commentId":4144337,"authorDomain":"beagles4me"}

My wife and I have talked about this also, We decided to move to a rural location, we make less money but we are so much more happier with less, we spend time talking, walking and doing things that are simpler and more fun, we go to the library, we sit on the proch and travel less.

Less is more when it comes to a better life.

Thanks for reminding us why we did this.

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Reply#10 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:54 PM EST
{"commentId":4147032,"authorDomain":"DevinWallace"}

If you really stepped back and took a look at what many have become, it is a country of people with good intentions who were misguided by the common "goals" that had been thrust to them by the rest of the community. Where are the good days when you went to your neighbor and congradulated him on the new raise and the new car, instead of going to work 25+ overtime hours to get a better car.

We are now a nation of competitors instead of teammates going for the common good. No longer is it socially acceptable to be happy with what you have even as others progress "ahead" in terms of wealth and fake happiness. The American dream has been constued so far off the path from owing a path of land and making some money to fulfill you life to getting the be all and end all of your economic life, which can never be achieved so we are now a nation at war with each others wallets to see who can amass the most amount of goods, as this will somehow benefit each other because we will strive to suceed, as they say. But instead, we are pitted in a battlefield of currency and social standing.

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Reply#11 - Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:15 PM EST
{"commentId":4152206,"authorDomain":"junswort"}

Devin - I agree with most of your comment but I really believe that most Americans are not caught up in the competition and really want to be part of the team.  I think most of us are part of the silent majority afraid to express our true beliefs lest we be labelled as lazy or having no ambition.  Our media glamorizes those that attain wealth and fame (The Apprentice) which is why I think is very age dependent.  We are sold on get a degree and then you can all the stuff you want.  Then we get out of college and dive head first into the rat race.  I think many of us, me included, eventually come to conclusion that the race isn't worth it. Sure, I may be getting some more stuff but I don't have the time to enjoy it with my family or get involved in the community (coaching, local government).  I think the challenge for those of us who bought the fools gold is to change the paradigm, tough to do when your a SILENT majority.

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#11.1 - Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:35 AM EST
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{"commentId":4160404,"authorDomain":"DevinWallace"}

Joe- A very good point. The people that control this rat race are the ones who can afford to send out the products and make the ads that bring people in. And in todays culture if you speak out, you automaticaly are deemed a radical, a hippie, or a hermit of some kind who was one of the few that didn't "suceed" in society.

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Reply#12 - Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:15 PM EST
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