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Why Not Ossetian Independence?

News Type: Opinion — Seeded on Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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world-news, russia, georgia, putin, ossetia
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Had Georgia simply given South Ossetia to Russia (which is really what would happen for all the talk of joining North and South Ossetia), the Russian fist would have been right down the middle of Georgia and given Russia effective control of the territory. All without a fight from Georgia. That would have made the Georgian government a non-entity immediately and Russia the controlling power. Georgia would no longer be free.

Would anyone in the United States have stood still for their government to do such a thing here?

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E.D.Kain

Possibly the best analysis of the strategic importance of South Ossetia to both the Russians and Georgians. Please read the seeded article if you want to gain a deeper understanding of this conflict!

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Reply#1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
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thedoctori

The sad fact of the matter is that Putin couldn't give a hoot about South Ossetia. He's just using the region to destabilize Georgia and once again make Georgia part of the great Motherland Federation (new Soviet/Russian Empire).

... Vladimir Putin's Russia isn't the former Soviet Union, bent on ideological confrontation around the world. But it is a Bonapartist power intent on dominating its neighbors and restoring its clout on the world stage. Unless Russians see that there are costs for their Napoleon's expansionism, Georgia isn't likely to be his last stop.

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  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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alkimija

A very good analysis of the unenviable position of the Ossetians and a great read... As always, a strategic geographic position causes nothing but misery for its occupants. Ethnic Ossetians seem doomed to remain a pawn of more powerful neighbours.

There is much criticism of Russia's behaviour. However, let's bear in mind that Georgia is Russia's neighbour and its belligerance towards Russia - and the USA's influence in Georgia - have made Russia very understandably nervous.

If suddenly Mexico (for example) became closely allied with Russia and similarly belicose toward the USA, I cannot imagine the USA tolerating the situation for very long at all.

Furthermore, it is hard for Americans in particular to criticise Russia because they have "kind of" (totally) ceded the "moral high ground" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and with many other instances of foreign intervention in the interests of the USA over the years).

Thanks for seeding.

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#1.2 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:52 AM EDT
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krishna-167929

I had hopes that when Communism ended in the U.S.S.R. things would change significantly in Russia. Apparently they have not.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:57 AM EDT
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oldcrankyman

Interesting article. I wonder how it is that the author knew that Russia was going to attack. When you base your thinking on flawed assumptions, you quite often come up with flawed conclusions. Seems that a lot of people don't see the Russians as people, just some sort of monsters who are driven to conquer the world. I wonder why we're so concerned about Georgia, but didn't give a rat's ass about Chechnya. Could it be the pipelines that run through Georgia? The U.S. is out there invading other countries, and we're not surrounded by countries that are hostile to us. Why can't we use the same standards to judge Russia that we use to justify our own actions?

I'm not saying that Russia is all sweetness and light, but I'm baffled about the knee jerk reactions in this situation.

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Reply#3 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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thedoctori

Interesting article. I wonder how it is that the author knew that Russia was going to attack.

I could've told you that. Does that make me part of some conspiracy? LOL. Intelligent people who know their history can often predict the patterns of simple-minded thugs like Putin. He already picked on Estonia, has threatened all three Baltic countries, used energy extortion against Ukraine, shut down Russia's free press, rigged the presidential elections... What else would you expect from an ex-KGB goon like Putin?

Seems that a lot of people don't see the Russians as people, just some sort of monsters who are driven to conquer the world. I wonder why we're so concerned about Georgia, but didn't give a rat's ass about Chechnya.

Speak for yourself. I've spent a whole lot of time in Russia. I celebrated the fall of communism for the sake of Russians, many of whom bravely opposed tyranny, like Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Natan Sharansky, and Vladimir Bukovsky. But I was afraid of a return to authoritarianism because Russian history is way-low on experiments in democracy, unlike Eastern Europe. It's called "knowing your history."

I haven't and will not forget Russia's atrocities in Chechnya.

Why assume I supported the Iraq invasion? I didn't but now hope we can make the best of it. Does that mean I can't hold Russia to account for its bullying?

There's nothing "knee-jerk" about making sure that Russia doesn't go on another rampage against her neighbors, killing millions, like the czars and Soviets. In fact, Russia's historical pattern of picking on its smaller neighbors should make people more wary of her future actions.

You might want to read Vladimir Bukovsky's Soviet Hypocrisy and Western Gullibility and To Choose Freedom.

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Reply#4 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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E.D.Kain

Why assume I supported the Iraq invasion? I didn't but now hope we can make the best of it. Does that mean I can't hold Russia to account for its bullying?

Same here. I was completely against the invasion in Iraq, but I'm glad we're on the way to victory there now. Did you watch the Rick Warren thing last night?

Obama's greatest struggle was his opposition to Iraq, apparently. Can you believe that nonsense?

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  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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thedoctori

For too many, "politics" means rigidly sticking to an inflexible dogma which doesn't accurately model the world.

Gee, wonder what that kind of dogma leads to?

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#4.2 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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